Page, you need to be relentless with dreamers when you need them to focus on outcomes or goals. I am not afraid to interrupt them with powerful questions:

1. What do you want to get out of this time together?
2. What's the #1 thing you want to achieve?
3. What impact do you want to make?
4. Of all the things you have mentioned, which is the one you want to choose now?

It's a skill for sure. As a coach I have built a toolbox with a lot of them.

As an entrepreneur, I've worked with dreamers all of my career. Fortunately, I am a dreamer and a doer, so I can relate to the dreamer while making sure that a finish line is drawn in the sand for all of us, dreamers included.